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		<title>by: Amelita (Squishy)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I buy as many Australian products as possible looking after our own backyard is our future and the future for our children.</description>
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		<title>by: nerdburger</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You people are all idiots.   Alot of the housebrand products are made by the small to medium size companies that deal with Coles &amp;#38; Woolworths.   Why don't you do some research before mouthing off about things you know nothing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are all idiots.   Alot of the housebrand products are made by the small to medium size companies that deal with Coles &amp; Woolworths.   Why don&#8217;t you do some research before mouthing off about things you know nothing about.
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		<title>by: stickyfingers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another thing that these house brands are doing is eliminating local jobs. Even major brands in Australia are being squeezed out of shelf space by supermarket homebrands. On top of that, they have been put in a difficult position by being asked to produce home brand products at such low prices that it is impossible to produce the goods for the price in Australia.

In the next five years we will see a steady rise in the amount of packaged food being imported into Australia. Some brands have already oved their production up into Asia in order to deliver the ridiculous prices being asked by the supermarket chains. Sadly these low prices are not always reflected in the price of the goods, but absorbed into profit, which is the major motivation in the first place.

But even more devastating is the loss of a livelihood for many Aussies when manufacturing plants and factories are closed and associated industries such as printing, packing and logistics lose their business.

Coles has recorded its worst figures this year, though they are attributing it to their merging of Bi-Lo into the Coles brand. It does not acknowledge the increased popularity of Aldi, nor the public's dissatisfaction with the removal of brands they prefer to buy, nor the upswing in the popularity of fresh foods purchased at markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that these house brands are doing is eliminating local jobs. Even major brands in Australia are being squeezed out of shelf space by supermarket homebrands. On top of that, they have been put in a difficult position by being asked to produce home brand products at such low prices that it is impossible to produce the goods for the price in Australia.</p>
<p>In the next five years we will see a steady rise in the amount of packaged food being imported into Australia. Some brands have already oved their production up into Asia in order to deliver the ridiculous prices being asked by the supermarket chains. Sadly these low prices are not always reflected in the price of the goods, but absorbed into profit, which is the major motivation in the first place.</p>
<p>But even more devastating is the loss of a livelihood for many Aussies when manufacturing plants and factories are closed and associated industries such as printing, packing and logistics lose their business.</p>
<p>Coles has recorded its worst figures this year, though they are attributing it to their merging of Bi-Lo into the Coles brand. It does not acknowledge the increased popularity of Aldi, nor the public&#8217;s dissatisfaction with the removal of brands they prefer to buy, nor the upswing in the popularity of fresh foods purchased at markets.
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		<title>by: bliss bubble</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great topic, and certainly worthy of further examination.  I try to support local markets/independent grocers but hadn't thought so much about what I put in my trolley when I do shop with the 'big guys'.

I will certainly take more care now. I have noticed some brands of certain products seem to be more difficult to find.  Examples such as grocer's above would be horribly sad so I am definitely on the campaign to ensure what goes in my trolley supports the 'little guys'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic, and certainly worthy of further examination.  I try to support local markets/independent grocers but hadn&#8217;t thought so much about what I put in my trolley when I do shop with the &#8216;big guys&#8217;.</p>
<p>I will certainly take more care now. I have noticed some brands of certain products seem to be more difficult to find.  Examples such as grocer&#8217;s above would be horribly sad so I am definitely on the campaign to ensure what goes in my trolley supports the &#8216;little guys&#8217;.
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		<title>by: grocer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>funnily enough, I recently started a blog spot and a business (in Sydney) as a result of my thoughts on this subject matter.

in the UK supermarket &quot;home brand&quot; is a different concept entirely from what we in Australia perceive as home brand. as inthebiz says, it has become a point of differentiation whether it  be waitrose, sainsbury, M&amp;#38;S or tesco (the tesco finest range is impressive indeed)

unfortunately our senior supermarket execs do not realise that our marketplace is not comparable to the UK supermarkets, our geography, demography and population density differ enormously, and the items they are trying to &quot;home brand&quot; are different to what the UK model is.

then again, why do we care about brands at all? shouldn't we be more concerned about the quality (and freshness) of what we purchase at good value at any given time? (and this is what many of the NW European chains have gone for as a business model)

the big brands are all owned by major FMCG anyway, and negotiate their promotions within the retailer's 13x4week promotion cycle. These major FMCG can cope with this and they already have a lot to answer for in terms of the cr@p that's fills our supermarkets.
it's the little guys that face loss of business, and that's where we, the consumer, will lose out. so for example (and this is completely off the cuff and not a real life suggestion) if you want to buy crackers, you might struggle to find Kurrajong lavosh, but will probably always find ritz/jatz

that's enough for one rant (sorry); i'm a newcomer to your blog as it is!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funnily enough, I recently started a blog spot and a business (in Sydney) as a result of my thoughts on this subject matter.</p>
<p>in the UK supermarket &#8220;home brand&#8221; is a different concept entirely from what we in Australia perceive as home brand. as inthebiz says, it has become a point of differentiation whether it  be waitrose, sainsbury, M&amp;S or tesco (the tesco finest range is impressive indeed)</p>
<p>unfortunately our senior supermarket execs do not realise that our marketplace is not comparable to the UK supermarkets, our geography, demography and population density differ enormously, and the items they are trying to &#8220;home brand&#8221; are different to what the UK model is.</p>
<p>then again, why do we care about brands at all? shouldn&#8217;t we be more concerned about the quality (and freshness) of what we purchase at good value at any given time? (and this is what many of the NW European chains have gone for as a business model)</p>
<p>the big brands are all owned by major FMCG anyway, and negotiate their promotions within the retailer&#8217;s 13&#215;4week promotion cycle. These major FMCG can cope with this and they already have a lot to answer for in terms of the cr@p that&#8217;s fills our supermarkets.<br />
it&#8217;s the little guys that face loss of business, and that&#8217;s where we, the consumer, will lose out. so for example (and this is completely off the cuff and not a real life suggestion) if you want to buy crackers, you might struggle to find Kurrajong lavosh, but will probably always find ritz/jatz</p>
<p>that&#8217;s enough for one rant (sorry); i&#8217;m a newcomer to your blog as it is!!!
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		<title>by: inthebiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Couple of additional thoughts... 

These products are born because competition between the supermarkets is so fierce and margins they make are low. They think they can make extra money by 'cutting out the middle man' (the brand) and putting the product under their brand. This happens even by keeping the product at the same price.

Usually, they ask 'the brand' to make it for them (so yes, it does come out of the same factory...), if not, they say they will simply go elsewhere and make other kind of threats to the brand owner (such as de-listing). 'The brand' then has to decide whether they make a tiny amount on producing it (and keep production up in their factories), or whether they get in the supermarkets bad books and let their competitors take the business.

The experience from the UK is not so much that they raise prices, but they limit choice of other brands (because the shelves aren't elastic...). Competition between the supermarkets generally ensures that pricing remains quite 'hot'. The other thing that supermarkets like is that these products are 'exclusive' to them, therefore, shoppers can't directly compare prices. 

What happens over time is that the supermarket-label product becomes such big brands that they then force their suppliers to work for very small margins -- or threaten they'll go to their competitors to make it. Often, the manufacturer is forced to accept the supermarkets terms because these products make up such a large part of their production (the sell less of their own 'brands' these days)&amp;#62; Either way, the supermarket wins because they're making the profit they used to make, plus making the profit that 'the brand' used to make. 

All this said, there is one supermarket in the UK that any foodie would die for: Waitrose. And many of their best products are own-label. The difference is most of the products are local, they taste delicious and the packaging is amazing. Of course, they cost a little more, but you know that before you go there. Indeed, the reason you go to their stores is to buy 'Waitrose-branded' products. Go figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of additional thoughts&#8230; </p>
<p>These products are born because competition between the supermarkets is so fierce and margins they make are low. They think they can make extra money by &#8216;cutting out the middle man&#8217; (the brand) and putting the product under their brand. This happens even by keeping the product at the same price.</p>
<p>Usually, they ask &#8216;the brand&#8217; to make it for them (so yes, it does come out of the same factory&#8230;), if not, they say they will simply go elsewhere and make other kind of threats to the brand owner (such as de-listing). &#8216;The brand&#8217; then has to decide whether they make a tiny amount on producing it (and keep production up in their factories), or whether they get in the supermarkets bad books and let their competitors take the business.</p>
<p>The experience from the UK is not so much that they raise prices, but they limit choice of other brands (because the shelves aren&#8217;t elastic&#8230;). Competition between the supermarkets generally ensures that pricing remains quite &#8216;hot&#8217;. The other thing that supermarkets like is that these products are &#8216;exclusive&#8217; to them, therefore, shoppers can&#8217;t directly compare prices. </p>
<p>What happens over time is that the supermarket-label product becomes such big brands that they then force their suppliers to work for very small margins &#8212; or threaten they&#8217;ll go to their competitors to make it. Often, the manufacturer is forced to accept the supermarkets terms because these products make up such a large part of their production (the sell less of their own &#8216;brands&#8217; these days)&gt; Either way, the supermarket wins because they&#8217;re making the profit they used to make, plus making the profit that &#8216;the brand&#8217; used to make. </p>
<p>All this said, there is one supermarket in the UK that any foodie would die for: Waitrose. And many of their best products are own-label. The difference is most of the products are local, they taste delicious and the packaging is amazing. Of course, they cost a little more, but you know that before you go there. Indeed, the reason you go to their stores is to buy &#8216;Waitrose-branded&#8217; products. Go figure&#8230;
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		<title>by: Janie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have started to avoid the multinational supermarkets since the greater chain branding of products has been introduced.  I try to shop at the locally owned IGA's for the non-perishables.  Sometimes resort to the biggies for particular products.  Also try to support the farmers markets, the lovely Vic market a local butcher, fruit &amp;#38; veg shop, deli.  

Sometimes hard though to do the rounds for everything when we all have busy lives.

Love the blog ... my first comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started to avoid the multinational supermarkets since the greater chain branding of products has been introduced.  I try to shop at the locally owned IGA&#8217;s for the non-perishables.  Sometimes resort to the biggies for particular products.  Also try to support the farmers markets, the lovely Vic market a local butcher, fruit &amp; veg shop, deli.  </p>
<p>Sometimes hard though to do the rounds for everything when we all have busy lives.</p>
<p>Love the blog &#8230; my first comment!
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		<title>by: clarkabrese</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh what a circus! I found today that if we don't 'Love Coles' there's very little choice left - which, I suppose, is the point. 

I look at few ingredients in detail before popping things in my basket - mostly I go for what I always go for - except when it comes to tinned tomatoes.

But having just relocated from 'near a Safeway' to 'near a Coles'I'm finding the need to examine much of my trolley because many of my fav goods just aren't on the shelves.

But in replacing my Angelina tinned tomatoes (which were the only Safeway tomatoes without added nasty ingredients) I've discovered something odd.

The only can of tinned tomatoes without additives (whether they be fake basil or a numbered colour) is You'll Love Coles Italian Tomatoes.

Now Mr/Ms Coles Marketing Manager Who Reads Blogs To Keep Tabs On We Consumers, tell me this: Why does the You'll Love Coles Australian Tomatoes include 'Firming agent 500' and 'Food acid 330' when the imported variety contains just good old tomatoes?

Hmmm.

Stu - you opened a can of wormed tomatoes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh what a circus! I found today that if we don&#8217;t &#8216;Love Coles&#8217; there&#8217;s very little choice left - which, I suppose, is the point. </p>
<p>I look at few ingredients in detail before popping things in my basket - mostly I go for what I always go for - except when it comes to tinned tomatoes.</p>
<p>But having just relocated from &#8216;near a Safeway&#8217; to &#8216;near a Coles&#8217;I'm finding the need to examine much of my trolley because many of my fav goods just aren&#8217;t on the shelves.</p>
<p>But in replacing my Angelina tinned tomatoes (which were the only Safeway tomatoes without added nasty ingredients) I&#8217;ve discovered something odd.</p>
<p>The only can of tinned tomatoes without additives (whether they be fake basil or a numbered colour) is You&#8217;ll Love Coles Italian Tomatoes.</p>
<p>Now Mr/Ms Coles Marketing Manager Who Reads Blogs To Keep Tabs On We Consumers, tell me this: Why does the You&#8217;ll Love Coles Australian Tomatoes include &#8216;Firming agent 500&#8242; and &#8216;Food acid 330&#8242; when the imported variety contains just good old tomatoes?</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>Stu - you opened a can of wormed tomatoes!
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		<title>by: Lady Lunchalot</title>
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					<description>Lorena makes an excellent point about the embedded energy in food. I think it's really weird that there are cherries in the supermarket now when I am freezing cold and running around in jumpers and jackets. They're imported from the US, but I just can't bring myself to buy out of season imported fruit and veg. It's never going to taste as good as the real thing, you deny yourself the pleasure of seasonal eating, it's bad news for the Aussie farmers who miss out on you buying their produce, and the environmental costs are enormous and so unnecessary.

Maybe this should be a topic for another blog posting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorena makes an excellent point about the embedded energy in food. I think it&#8217;s really weird that there are cherries in the supermarket now when I am freezing cold and running around in jumpers and jackets. They&#8217;re imported from the US, but I just can&#8217;t bring myself to buy out of season imported fruit and veg. It&#8217;s never going to taste as good as the real thing, you deny yourself the pleasure of seasonal eating, it&#8217;s bad news for the Aussie farmers who miss out on you buying their produce, and the environmental costs are enormous and so unnecessary.</p>
<p>Maybe this should be a topic for another blog posting?
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		<title>by: clarkabrese</title>
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					<description>LL has turned public advocate - I love it! Will you be supplying how to vote cards come November? ;)</description>
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